The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled
#25
(23-07-2020, 08:51 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:
(23-07-2020, 08:48 AM)Legs On Stilts Wrote: It's a no for me. Has to go. Sweep that broom and go again. If i went through every game this season there wss a fair few where he f****d it up. You can forgive when results pick up Inbetween but when you witness a performance like that theirs just no coming back.

Plenty of other managers in the past have fsllen on their sword for things like last night and he won't be no different.

Swing that hammer EM

We've tried that. This is another reason why I'd like us to keep Lamouchi - we haven't actually tried keeping a manager for more than a whole season for.....how long?

We've tried the ex-playing legend (Pearce)
We've tried the Miracle Man (O'Neill)
We've tried the younger, progressive manager (Warburton)
We've tried the proven promotion winner (Karanka)
We've even tried the returning lunatic (Davies)

We haven't tried giving someone a whole season then seeing how they progress from the base they've built. Our base was 7th place. In my view we need to give him the first half of next season at least.

Thats all he going to get. Make a poor start and hes toast, based on his record since jan.
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#26
(23-07-2020, 09:03 AM)Paplane Wrote:
(23-07-2020, 08:51 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:
(23-07-2020, 08:48 AM)Legs On Stilts Wrote: It's a no for me. Has to go. Sweep that broom and go again. If i went through every game this season there wss a fair few where he f****d it up. You can forgive when results pick up Inbetween but when you witness a performance like that theirs just no coming back.

Plenty of other managers in the past have fsllen on their sword for things like last night and he won't be no different.

Swing that hammer EM

We've tried that. This is another reason why I'd like us to keep Lamouchi - we haven't actually tried keeping a manager for more than a whole season for.....how long?

We've tried the ex-playing legend (Pearce)
We've tried the Miracle Man (O'Neill)
We've tried the younger, progressive manager (Warburton)
We've tried the proven promotion winner (Karanka)
We've even tried the returning lunatic (Davies)

We haven't tried giving someone a whole season then seeing how they progress from the base they've built. Our base was 7th place. In my view we need to give him the first half of next season at least.

Thats all he going to get. Make a poor start and hes toast, based on his record since jan.

And I think that's fair enough. The progress we've made this season means, in my book, he deserves at least that chance to put right the things that are wrong.
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#27
(23-07-2020, 08:41 AM)ozzyten10 Wrote: My thoughts are -
Over reliance on Watson - good season but like the tactics got sussed by the opposition - not dynamic enough
Poor midfield - sow played with injury and was a poor imitation of himself pre injury, Yates just not good enough with the ball- other midfielders poor all round - silva OK ish.
Poor recruitment - Swansea getting Brewster and Gallagher - they would have improved us.
Poor decisions in final games by Sabri and players within matches.

This is the perfect summary Ozzy, agree with every point there. Unfortunately I dont have a magic wand to fix any of those problems.
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#28
(23-07-2020, 09:06 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:
(23-07-2020, 09:03 AM)Paplane Wrote:
(23-07-2020, 08:51 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote:
(23-07-2020, 08:48 AM)Legs On Stilts Wrote: It's a no for me. Has to go. Sweep that broom and go again. If i went through every game this season there wss a fair few where he f****d it up. You can forgive when results pick up Inbetween but when you witness a performance like that theirs just no coming back.

Plenty of other managers in the past have fsllen on their sword for things like last night and he won't be no different.

Swing that hammer EM

We've tried that. This is another reason why I'd like us to keep Lamouchi - we haven't actually tried keeping a manager for more than a whole season for.....how long?

We've tried the ex-playing legend (Pearce)
We've tried the Miracle Man (O'Neill)
We've tried the younger, progressive manager (Warburton)
We've tried the proven promotion winner (Karanka)
We've even tried the returning lunatic (Davies)

We haven't tried giving someone a whole season then seeing how they progress from the base they've built. Our base was 7th place. In my view we need to give him the first half of next season at least.

Thats all he going to get. Make a poor start and hes toast, based on his record since jan.

And I think that's fair enough. The progress we've made this season means, in my book, he deserves at least that chance to put right the things that are wrong.
I agree. We need to realise he's a coach, not a manager. He works with the tools he's given. There should be some very nervous people at city ground towers this morning. And rightly so.
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#29
(23-07-2020, 08:28 AM)the jock Wrote: Worralls mistake against derby was a big blow too. We played well that day and deserved the win.

Overall though I feel we havent been playing well consistently for a long time

No doubt Joe is blaming himself for us not reaching the play offs on that foul alone. Yes if he hadn't have given away such a stupid unnecessary free kick we would be rejoicing today. But what we also have to remember is the many times Joe has saved our side from losing points. The goal bound blocks for instance, the goal line clearances. As the saying goes........one swallow doesn't make a summer..........and one mistake shouldn't be used as the main factor we bottled it.

We had three stabs at getting that single point and blew it on every occasion.
With the score at 1-1 last night, we should've gone for a second and tried to bury Stoke, but instead we played tippy tappy across our own penalty area with 30 minutes still to play. It was a recipe for disaster and the disaster happened.

My own opinion is this. We have improved under Sabri. Not enough to be good enough to be in with a shot at the PL but we have improved. 7th is an improvement on last season, which we again bottled when we were in with an outside chance of getting into the play offs. We have not been good enough all season. We have been far too inconsistent. Some of our victories we somehow managed to scrape through. Some of those games we were played off the park but managed to hit those teams on the counter attack. Most of our goals have come from counter attacks and not from us pressing the opponents and working wave after wave of attacks to break the opponents down. Allowing opponents more of the ball doesn't do it for me. As Cloughie once said, the opponent can't score if they haven't got the ball! We are too one dimensional and teams have sussed out how Sabri plays. Stoke actually beat us at our own game last night. They realised we can't play when we have possession, so allowed us that possession then hit us on the break.

We need to know what has happened with Carvalho. Why is he not even getting onto the subs bench ahead of young Mighten? Is it attitude? Is he simply not the magician everybody seems to make him out to be? I personally don't rate him. He is scared to get into challenges, either aerial or on the ground. He doesn't track back, he doesnt get stuck in. He pulls out of 50/50's. Unless he is acres of space he tends to rush his passes. Yes he has played the odd decent pass, but then so has Cash, Lolley, Silva, Ameobi, Watson, Sow, Samedo, Grabban. 

It is easy to say we need this player, cover for that position, a new whatever, but unless we get rid of a lot of the dross currently on our books, then we arent going to be able to afford to buy anyone, so it will be very much the same as it has been. 

I personally, think the side have missed having the fans in the ground to roar them on! Despite all of the theories about us fans putting pressure on the side, especially at home games, I do believe the players rely on us to get behind them, to give them that lift they need. There aren't that many teams in the Championship that have supporters like ours, who will sing their hearts out for the team if they see the team are playing their hearts out for the club. How many times this season have our fans constantly out sung the home support? Almost always.

There is no magical solution to the problems we endured since the restart. Do we get rid of Sabri? Then we start all over again, from scratch. Trying out another managers ideas and systems that have obviously failed elsewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be taking on the job at the City Ground! If we do hang on to him, what then? Does he try new things or does he do what he has been doing and hope it works better for him the next time around? Who do we keep? Who do we sell? What loans can we get? When will fans be allowed back into stadiums? 

It's going to be an interesting few weeks between now and the new season starting, thats the only certainty I can offer.
"It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's Trickay, It's Tricky, Tricky, Tricky Tricky" - Run DMC
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#30
And remember one 1 team in the top 6 didn't receive a parachute payment.
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#31
Is this football better than what we had under mon? Not so sure on that
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#32
I see comments about SL not having a plan B, well the problem with that is you need players to be able to change to a plan B. We don't have players like Dele Adebola or Darius Henderson to come on and play to a different style. We haven't got a decent enough squad and that is the problem. Players like Yates should be back up not first choice.
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#33
(23-07-2020, 09:11 AM)jurgen rober Wrote: I see comments about SL not having a plan B, well the problem with that is you need players to be able to change to a plan B. We don't have players like Dele Adebola or Darius Henderson to come on and play to a different style. We haven't got a decent enough squad and that is the problem. Players like Yates should be back up not first choice.

I cant see any further than the point you make. We simply didnt have the attacking players.
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#34
All the sky pundits, as much as we hated them saying it, were right about us. You cant do anything with 1 senior striker at the club.
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#35
Even if we did have the attacking players we don't have a good enough players to pick up the workload that comes with having luxury players. The only reason we had a solid base is because we had so many players to cover each other defensively. The problem with that was then none could really pass the ball once we won it back.
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#36
(23-07-2020, 09:11 AM)the jock Wrote: Is this football better than what we had under mon? Not so sure on that

Since Christmas its been worse id say. MoN had a team of loanee misfits (Pele, Wague), Pants in goal,  and an unfit Grabban and probably had a better record.
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