Blame Game
#1
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If over the next few months we fall into the bottom three and get relegated where will the blame fall and what percentage attributed to the key figures. Cooper, Nuno, Maranakis, combination of all three or is it such a tough task to survive in the white hot heat of the premier league that nobody is really responsible. If we survive I believe Maranakis will need to
take most responsibility. He has taken a tough decision and it is a gamble how it goes. We have a bit of gap at the moment but it could be reversed in just two games. This moment feels like such a key point in our future. Stay up and we can keep building, get relegated and who knows we could be in the wilderness for years again.
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#2
Blame for what?

We are a PL club can't we just enjoy it?

What is wrong with some of you.

Get behind the club and the team.
Panic on the streets of London
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#3
(20-12-2023, 09:20 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: If over the next few months we fall into the bottom three and get relegated where will the blame fall and what percentage attributed to the key figures. Cooper, Nuno, Maranakis, combination of all three or is it such a tough task to survive in the white hot heat of the premier league that nobody is really responsible. If we survive I believe Maranakis will need to
take most responsibility. He has taken a tough decision and it is a gamble how it goes. We have a bit of gap at the moment but it could be reversed in just two games. This moment feels like such a key point in our future. Stay up and we can keep building, get relegated and who knows we could be in the wilderness for years again.

If over the next few months we push towards mid table then what? No point playing the blame game on ifs and buts.

Give the new manager a chance before concluding we are getting relegated
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#4
(20-12-2023, 09:37 AM)RedMW Wrote:
(20-12-2023, 09:20 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: If over the next few months we fall into the bottom three and get relegated where will the blame fall and what percentage attributed to the key figures. Cooper, Nuno, Maranakis, combination of all three or is it such a tough task to survive in the white hot heat of the premier league that nobody is really responsible. If we survive I believe Maranakis will need to
take most responsibility. He has taken a tough decision and it is a gamble how it goes. We have a bit of gap at the moment but it could be reversed in just two games. This moment feels like such a key point in our future. Stay up and we can keep building, get relegated and who knows we could be in the wilderness for years again.

If over the next few months we push towards mid table then what? No point playing the blame game on ifs and buts.

Give the new manager a chance before concluding we are getting relegated

Supporters have always played the blame game when things go wrong and always will. Ours will be no exception if they do. My point is also who do we credit if things go ok or even better than ok.
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#5
The bottom line is this..............

IF we do get relegated, and there is no reason at this conjecture to suggest we will as we do not know if NES will get the team moving in the right direction or not, for me the blame has to lie firmly on the shoulders of the players, not SC, not EM, not NES (or whoever else takes over)

Those spineless bastards that decided not to play against Fulham and to a lesser degree Everton as well as other matches where we threw winning opportunities away highlighted where our problems are, not the previous manager/coach, not future managers/coaches and certainly not the owners. Against Spurs, we were let down by a wonderful first goal, lets face it, that was a class bit of football if we are being honest, a completely clueless and pathetic piece of goal keeping by a so called international player and a hell of a lot of bad luck. Marginal offside for Elanga's 'goal', a goal line clearance by the Spurs  keeper, who I dont think knew a lot about it, it just seemed to hit him at the exact right moment and we hit the post. There's nothing any manager can do to influence any of those situations. Sadly they happen.

So I will reiterate my feelings for this thread, if the blame has to lie anywhere, it has to be the players
"It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's Trickay, It's Tricky, Tricky, Tricky Tricky" - Run DMC
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#6
(20-12-2023, 10:18 AM)Tricky Wrote: The bottom line is this..............

IF we do get relegated, and there is no reason at this conjecture to suggest we will as we do not know if NES will get the team moving in the right direction or not, for me the blame has to lie firmly on the shoulders of the players, not SC, not EM, not NES (or whoever else takes over)

Those spineless bastards that decided not to play against Fulham and to a lesser degree Everton as well as other matches where we threw winning opportunities away highlighted where our problems are, not the previous manager/coach, not future managers/coaches and certainly not the owners. Against Spurs, we were let down by a wonderful first goal, lets face it, that was a class bit of football if we are being honest, a completely clueless and pathetic piece of goal keeping by a so called international player and a hell of a lot of bad luck. Marginal offside for Elanga's 'goal', a goal line clearance by the Spurs  keeper, who I dont think knew a lot about it, it just seemed to hit him at the exact right moment and we hit the post. There's nothing any manager can do to influence any of those situations. Sadly they happen.

So I will reiterate my feelings for this thread, if the blame has to lie anywhere, it has to be the players

No blame on those who persuaded EM to spend his millions on those players?

By the way, was staring at your post for a bit thinking, who the hell is NES?
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#7
(20-12-2023, 10:48 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:
(20-12-2023, 10:18 AM)Tricky Wrote: The bottom line is this..............

IF we do get relegated, and there is no reason at this conjecture to suggest we will as we do not know if NES will get the team moving in the right direction or not, for me the blame has to lie firmly on the shoulders of the players, not SC, not EM, not NES (or whoever else takes over)

Those spineless bastards that decided not to play against Fulham and to a lesser degree Everton as well as other matches where we threw winning opportunities away highlighted where our problems are, not the previous manager/coach, not future managers/coaches and certainly not the owners. Against Spurs, we were let down by a wonderful first goal, lets face it, that was a class bit of football if we are being honest, a completely clueless and pathetic piece of goal keeping by a so called international player and a hell of a lot of bad luck. Marginal offside for Elanga's 'goal', a goal line clearance by the Spurs  keeper, who I dont think knew a lot about it, it just seemed to hit him at the exact right moment and we hit the post. There's nothing any manager can do to influence any of those situations. Sadly they happen.

So I will reiterate my feelings for this thread, if the blame has to lie anywhere, it has to be the players

No blame on those who persuaded EM to spend his millions on those players?

By the way, was staring at your post for a bit thinking, who the hell is NES? 

In fairness Sal, whoever bought the players or persuaded EM to spend those millions would have expected those players, on massive wages let us not forget, to perform to the highest standards possible. They would not have expected them to under-perform to the levels we have experienced of late. 

I only put NES cos I'm not sure how to spell his name right and couldnt be arsed to check.
"It's Tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's Trickay, It's Tricky, Tricky, Tricky Tricky" - Run DMC
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#8
What is with all these hypothetical posts?

What If we get relegated, what if we sign Rafa Mir, what if we sign Podence etc etc.

Can we just see what happens?

My glass is half full and I am looking up.
Panic on the streets of London
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#9
Well while you were looking up someone’s just nicked the rest of your drink
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#10
(20-12-2023, 09:45 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:
(20-12-2023, 09:37 AM)RedMW Wrote:
(20-12-2023, 09:20 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: If over the next few months we fall into the bottom three and get relegated where will the blame fall and what percentage attributed to the key figures. Cooper, Nuno, Maranakis, combination of all three or is it such a tough task to survive in the white hot heat of the premier league that nobody is really responsible. If we survive I believe Maranakis will need to
take most responsibility. He has taken a tough decision and it is a gamble how it goes. We have a bit of gap at the moment but it could be reversed in just two games. This moment feels like such a key point in our future. Stay up and we can keep building, get relegated and who knows we could be in the wilderness for years again.

If over the next few months we push towards mid table then what? No point playing the blame game on ifs and buts.

Give the new manager a chance before concluding we are getting relegated

Supporters have always played the blame game when things go wrong and always will. Ours will be no exception if they do. My point is also who do we credit if things go ok or even better than ok.

Who gets the credit for us getting promoted. Is it the players or Cooper who selected them and chose the tactics. Was it Murphy for chosing Cooper or Marinakis for appointing Murphy and spending many millions of pounds on the project. For me it is Cooper and Maranakis who take most credit but when it goes wrong is it just Cooper. I don’t blame the owner he couldn’t have done any more than he has to reverse the slide.
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#11
1000% cooper gets the credit for that promotion. Any other take is lunacy
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#12
(20-12-2023, 06:20 PM)Marco Polo Wrote: 1000% cooper gets the credit for that promotion. Any other take is lunacy

Cooper gets the credit of course.

But what about whoever made the decision to bring in Middleboro’s 3rd choice right back, wasn’t that a little inspired?

Or the decision to invest again in a team that had performed abjectly the previous year.

Or most importantly of all, EM for rejecting an offer for Brennan Johnson that was roughly a third of the value of the entire club?
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