Injuries And Suspensions

[Paplane]

Wood should have stayed at the club and got treatment for his injury.

There is no way he would have been allowed to travel to join up with the NZ squad and then return early if he had already been ruled out for the season.

He's obviously aggravated the injury while with NZ.

He should never been allowed to go in the first place after being ruled out of our last game against Newcastle through injury despite being ineligible.

I dont know the rules Sniff but did they have a choice if NZ insisted he travelled.
I doubt a 24 hour trip on a cramped plane seat did the injury much good though.

Regardless of the rules, Wood flying to the other side of the globe not 100% fit to play two international games is an absolute failure by someone at the club.

[wassy04]

Wood should have stayed at the club and got treatment for his injury.

There is no way he would have been allowed to travel to join up with the NZ squad and then return early if he had already been ruled out for the season.

He's obviously aggravated the injury while with NZ.

He should never been allowed to go in the first place after being ruled out of our last game against Newcastle through injury despite being ineligible.

I dont know the rules Sniff but did they have a choice if NZ insisted he travelled.
I doubt a 24 hour trip on a cramped plane seat did the injury much good though.

Regardless of the rules, Wood flying to the other side of the globe not 100% fit to play two international games is an absolute failure by someone at the club.

Got to question our medical/physio department this year regardless. Feels like it shouldn't take the NZ medical team to spot a season ending injury.

[wassy04]

Crititise me all you want but Cooper's dedication to Brennan has come at a huge cost this season imo. I accept that Brennan is a huge talent but the patience he's been shown has had a detrimental effect on the others players in the squad, Dennis being the primary one. Had Dennis been given the game time Brennan has this season then we'd have a serious player on our hands now. Maybe the same with Surridge. We see flashes from Dennis to demonstrate that he has talent, but that's all he's been allowed to show. And we're so geared up as a team to feed Brennan that a decent prem player like Wood has come in and the side is completely unable to change the way it plays to accommodate his skill set.

So we play Dennis instead and then Brennan doesn’t develop into an established PL striker. Not sure what the answer is. Thing is Dennis was meant to be PL ready and he has never looked up to it apart from a few flashes. His discipline with and without the ball we know often drives Cooper to distraction.
Surridge I agree with I dont see why we brought in two ageing lumps when we had him available.

I agree Dennis needs to up his game and demonstrate that he's up to the level but my point is we've seen many many games, particularly away games where's Brennan's influence has been such that it looks like we're playing with 10 men. Had Dennis had half as much investment that Brennan's had then he might be better placed now to come into the side and influence games. He's clearly talented. He just needs games.

Except if Taiwo stays fit like in the first half of the year then Dennis is even less necessary. Not forgetting Lingard has also been largely used out on the left side.

I can't get behind this though, you can't criticise Cooper for playing our best attacking player over Dennis, surely that logic doesn't make sense?!

[Paplane]

Crititise me all you want but Cooper's dedication to Brennan has come at a huge cost this season imo. I accept that Brennan is a huge talent but the patience he's been shown has had a detrimental effect on the others players in the squad, Dennis being the primary one. Had Dennis been given the game time Brennan has this season then we'd have a serious player on our hands now. Maybe the same with Surridge. We see flashes from Dennis to demonstrate that he has talent, but that's all he's been allowed to show. And we're so geared up as a team to feed Brennan that a decent prem player like Wood has come in and the side is completely unable to change the way it plays to accommodate his skill set.

So we play Dennis instead and then Brennan doesn’t develop into an established PL striker. Not sure what the answer is. Thing is Dennis was meant to be PL ready and he has never looked up to it apart from a few flashes. His discipline with and without the ball we know often drives Cooper to distraction.
Surridge I agree with I dont see why we brought in two ageing lumps when we had him available.

I agree Dennis needs to up his game and demonstrate that he's up to the level but my point is we've seen many many games, particularly away games where's Brennan's influence has been such that it looks like we're playing with 10 men. Had Dennis had half as much investment that Brennan's had then he might be better placed now to come into the side and influence games. He's clearly talented. He just needs games.

Except if Taiwo stays fit like in the first half of the year then Dennis is even less necessary. Not forgetting Lingard has also been largely used out on the left side.

I can't get behind this though, you can't criticise Cooper for playing our best attacking player over Dennis, surely that logic doesn't make sense?!

I agree it's an opinion that's not entirely logical but my point is that Cooper's thrown all his eggs in one basket in Brennan when there have been lengthy spells of poor/ineffective performances from the lad. Had similar time been invested in other players then we might be stronger on balance at this time as a whole.

[wassy04]

Crititise me all you want but Cooper's dedication to Brennan has come at a huge cost this season imo. I accept that Brennan is a huge talent but the patience he's been shown has had a detrimental effect on the others players in the squad, Dennis being the primary one. Had Dennis been given the game time Brennan has this season then we'd have a serious player on our hands now. Maybe the same with Surridge. We see flashes from Dennis to demonstrate that he has talent, but that's all he's been allowed to show. And we're so geared up as a team to feed Brennan that a decent prem player like Wood has come in and the side is completely unable to change the way it plays to accommodate his skill set.

So we play Dennis instead and then Brennan doesn’t develop into an established PL striker. Not sure what the answer is. Thing is Dennis was meant to be PL ready and he has never looked up to it apart from a few flashes. His discipline with and without the ball we know often drives Cooper to distraction.
Surridge I agree with I dont see why we brought in two ageing lumps when we had him available.

I agree Dennis needs to up his game and demonstrate that he's up to the level but my point is we've seen many many games, particularly away games where's Brennan's influence has been such that it looks like we're playing with 10 men. Had Dennis had half as much investment that Brennan's had then he might be better placed now to come into the side and influence games. He's clearly talented. He just needs games.

Except if Taiwo stays fit like in the first half of the year then Dennis is even less necessary. Not forgetting Lingard has also been largely used out on the left side.

I can't get behind this though, you can't criticise Cooper for playing our best attacking player over Dennis, surely that logic doesn't make sense?!

I agree it's an opinion that's not entirely logical but my point is that Cooper's thrown all his eggs in one basket in Brennan when there have been lengthy spells of poor/ineffective performances from the lad. Had similar time been invested in other players then we might be stronger on balance at this time as a whole.

I vaguely get your point, pretty speculative though. Plus if you don't play Brennan he doesn't reach the level he reached pre injury which was a big part in victories against Southampton, Leicester and Leeds. Would Dennis really have reached the same level to offset that? Seems unlikely to me

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Wood should have stayed at the club and got treatment for his injury.

There is no way he would have been allowed to travel to join up with the NZ squad and then return early if he had already been ruled out for the season.

He's obviously aggravated the injury while with NZ.

He should never been allowed to go in the first place after being ruled out of our last game against Newcastle through injury despite being ineligible.

I dont know the rules Sniff but did they have a choice if NZ insisted he travelled.
I doubt a 24 hour trip on a cramped plane seat did the injury much good though.

Regardless of the rules, Wood flying to the other side of the globe not 100% fit to play two international games is an absolute failure by someone at the club.

Got to question our medical/physio department this year regardless. Feels like it shouldn't take the NZ medical team to spot a season ending injury.

That's because it wasn't season ending when he was given permission to go there which he should never have been given.

[Paplane]

So we play Dennis instead and then Brennan doesn’t develop into an established PL striker. Not sure what the answer is. Thing is Dennis was meant to be PL ready and he has never looked up to it apart from a few flashes. His discipline with and without the ball we know often drives Cooper to distraction.
Surridge I agree with I dont see why we brought in two ageing lumps when we had him available.

I agree Dennis needs to up his game and demonstrate that he's up to the level but my point is we've seen many many games, particularly away games where's Brennan's influence has been such that it looks like we're playing with 10 men. Had Dennis had half as much investment that Brennan's had then he might be better placed now to come into the side and influence games. He's clearly talented. He just needs games.

Except if Taiwo stays fit like in the first half of the year then Dennis is even less necessary. Not forgetting Lingard has also been largely used out on the left side.

I can't get behind this though, you can't criticise Cooper for playing our best attacking player over Dennis, surely that logic doesn't make sense?!

I agree it's an opinion that's not entirely logical but my point is that Cooper's thrown all his eggs in one basket in Brennan when there have been lengthy spells of poor/ineffective performances from the lad. Had similar time been invested in other players then we might be stronger on balance at this time as a whole.

I vaguely get your point, pretty speculative though. Plus if you don't play Brennan he doesn't reach the level he reached pre injury which was a big part in victories against Southampton, Leicester and Leeds. Would Dennis really have reached the same level to offset that? Seems unlikely to me

Dennis has put the team in winning positions with his goals and that's only via his bit-part appearances. Who knows where he might be right now if he'd had a few starts. Yes. maybe Brennan wouldn't be where he is now but we'd maybe have two 70% players in the squad and not one 90% and one 10% player.

[wassy04]

Wood should have stayed at the club and got treatment for his injury.

There is no way he would have been allowed to travel to join up with the NZ squad and then return early if he had already been ruled out for the season.

He's obviously aggravated the injury while with NZ.

He should never been allowed to go in the first place after being ruled out of our last game against Newcastle through injury despite being ineligible.

I dont know the rules Sniff but did they have a choice if NZ insisted he travelled.
I doubt a 24 hour trip on a cramped plane seat did the injury much good though.

Regardless of the rules, Wood flying to the other side of the globe not 100% fit to play two international games is an absolute failure by someone at the club.

Got to question our medical/physio department this year regardless. Feels like it shouldn't take the NZ medical team to spot a season ending injury.

That's because it wasn't season ending when he was given permission to go there which he should never had been given.

If it wasn't season ending and he was fit to travel then nothing we can do and was just bad luck if it got irritated with NZ. If it was then it's bad it wasn't diagnosed sooner. The system with internationals and injuries isn't great as you have conflicting priorities. However, those are the rules. He was not given permission, the rules say he is automatically allowed to go. If anything he'd need permission to stay back.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I dont know the rules Sniff but did they have a choice if NZ insisted he travelled.
I doubt a 24 hour trip on a cramped plane seat did the injury much good though.

Regardless of the rules, Wood flying to the other side of the globe not 100% fit to play two international games is an absolute failure by someone at the club.

Got to question our medical/physio department this year regardless. Feels like it shouldn't take the NZ medical team to spot a season ending injury.

That's because it wasn't season ending when he was given permission to go there which he should never had been given.

If it wasn't season ending and he was fit to travel then nothing we can do and was just bad luck if it got irritated with NZ. If it was then it's bad it wasn't diagnosed sooner. The system with internationals and injuries isn't great as you have conflicting priorities. However, those are the rules. He was not given permission, the rules say he is automatically allowed to go. If anything he'd need permission to stay back.

Come on Wassy there is plenty we can do, look at Johnno for example.

Woods missed the last game because he was injured (besides being ineligible) so we had every right to keep him in Nottingham.

It's very naive to think otherwise.

[wassy04]

Regardless of the rules, Wood flying to the other side of the globe not 100% fit to play two international games is an absolute failure by someone at the club.

Got to question our medical/physio department this year regardless. Feels like it shouldn't take the NZ medical team to spot a season ending injury.

That's because it wasn't season ending when he was given permission to go there which he should never had been given.

If it wasn't season ending and he was fit to travel then nothing we can do and was just bad luck if it got irritated with NZ. If it was then it's bad it wasn't diagnosed sooner. The system with internationals and injuries isn't great as you have conflicting priorities. However, those are the rules. He was not given permission, the rules say he is automatically allowed to go. If anything he'd need permission to stay back.

Come on Wassy there is plenty we can do, look at Johnno for example.

Woods missed the last game because he was injured (besides being ineligible) so we had every right to keep him in Nottingham.

It's very naive to think otherwise.

It's also very naive to think you can just stop players going because you don't want them to get injured. I suspect the decision is largely up to the players. I'd be interested if someone internal had an insight into the process for all players. As I said if he wasn't fit to travel then the medical team should be doing whatever is required. If he was, it's bad luck.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

There is a process that clubs have to adhere to for releasing players for internationals but its a process the top clubs have been getting around for years.

Ryan Giggs was the famous one for Wales. Fergie declared him “injured”, he sits with his feet up for a few days and the following Wednesday danced past the Juventus defence fresh as a daisy.

No idea if the rules have now been tightened to stop that sort of thing?

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

FFS it's not rocket science.

If a player is unable to take his  place in his club teams squad in the previous game before going on international duty because of an injury then the club have every right to withdraw him from international duty.

We even did it with Johnno and he actually played in our last game!

Man City did it with Haaland too this week. It happens all the time it is nothing unusual.