Ange

[The reds]

Charlotte Duncker said no immediate threat, she’s normally correct. Think things are unsustainable for long though.

The article she wrote has the title of "Ange Postecoglou's job under threat if Forest lose to Newcastle"

[Floridared]

I appreciate that sniff did not want him and remember both your surprise and disappointment when it was announced.

But that is the problem is it not. The fans were sceptical about the appointment and based on the fact he was replacing our most successful manager in a generation, he would never be afforded much time. Add to this his first 6 games (with the exception of arsenal away) were not that difficult (on paper) and yet he's failed to win one of them would always ensure things would go south and quickly.

Yes... If he manages a shock win against Newcastle that would alleviate some of the pressure but he's got to do a lot to turn this around. Ultimately the only currency he can really operate in is winning football matches right now - if he can't do that then he has to go.

This club cannot afford relegation - it would undo all the work done by Marinakis, Cooper and Nuno.

It'd be worse than that. We'd be doing a Leicester. We'd be bang in the S**t if we got relegated with the squad we've got.

Yep deep mess which is why a certain ginger haired blunt speaking manager who happens to be out of work and lives locally is my choice. Actually think he would work well he has never had a team that has been backed financially.

There's a reason he's unemployed and has been for a while.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

You would want him if he had slicked back hair and was called Juan Dychio. He would get us defending properly again which is the No1 problem. He’s never had a squad capable of playing expansive football before but think he could do a good job with what we have.

[Marinakis Red]

How on earth can a professional manager set his teams up defensively like that then repeatedly do it? I have  purposely stayed quiet on Ange as I actually like the fella as a person.

But he tactically is probably the most naive manager I have seen in some time. Football isn't just about attacking it is about defending too.

That zonal marking setup is a joke, an absolute embarrassment. If you are going to go zonal then you have to block the runners to stop them getting a run and a free head at the ball. Our static defenders are not out jumping anybody with a run. It happens time and time again. Why on earth does he not use blockers if indeed we continue to go zonal.

Then when were static for the second ball they are already on the move do of course they are going to be the quickest to react for the second ball.

Ange famously said he does not work on set pieces and boy can we tell.

No way back from here when a ground turns like that. It was horrific to see and be a part of. I was just as embarrassed by that as I am the set piece defending. A total shambles.

Agree unfortunately and why I don’t buy into the individual mistakes, lack of desire narrative a few of you are pushing.

I'm not pushing any narrative mate, my post is exactly where I am and what i think of the setup.

[Floridared]

You would want him if he had slicked back hair and was called Juan Dychio. He would get us defending properly again which is the No1 problem. He’s never had a squad capable of playing expansive football before but think he could do a good job with what we have.

Not if he played football like Sean Dyche.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

How on earth can a professional manager set his teams up defensively like that then repeatedly do it? I have  purposely stayed quiet on Ange as I actually like the fella as a person.

But he tactically is probably the most naive manager I have seen in some time. Football isn't just about attacking it is about defending too.

That zonal marking setup is a joke, an absolute embarrassment. If you are going to go zonal then you have to block the runners to stop them getting a run and a free head at the ball. Our static defenders are not out jumping anybody with a run. It happens time and time again. Why on earth does he not use blockers if indeed we continue to go zonal.

Then when were static for the second ball they are already on the move do of course they are going to be the quickest to react for the second ball.

Ange famously said he does not work on set pieces and boy can we tell.

No way back from here when a ground turns like that. It was horrific to see and be a part of. I was just as embarrassed by that as I am the set piece defending. A total shambles.

Agree unfortunately and why I don’t buy into the individual mistakes, lack of desire narrative a few of you are pushing.

I'm not pushing any narrative mate, my post is exactly where I am and what i think of the setup.

Think you’ve misunderstood me MR, I agree with you, I think the majority of the problem is caused by the system Ange is playing.
There are other posters blaming individual mistakes and lack of desire which I don’t agree with.

[Marinakis Red]

How on earth can a professional manager set his teams up defensively like that then repeatedly do it? I have  purposely stayed quiet on Ange as I actually like the fella as a person.

But he tactically is probably the most naive manager I have seen in some time. Football isn't just about attacking it is about defending too.

That zonal marking setup is a joke, an absolute embarrassment. If you are going to go zonal then you have to block the runners to stop them getting a run and a free head at the ball. Our static defenders are not out jumping anybody with a run. It happens time and time again. Why on earth does he not use blockers if indeed we continue to go zonal.

Then when were static for the second ball they are already on the move do of course they are going to be the quickest to react for the second ball.

Ange famously said he does not work on set pieces and boy can we tell.

No way back from here when a ground turns like that. It was horrific to see and be a part of. I was just as embarrassed by that as I am the set piece defending. A total shambles.

Agree unfortunately and why I don’t buy into the individual mistakes, lack of desire narrative a few of you are pushing.

I'm not pushing any narrative mate, my post is exactly where I am and what i think of the setup.

Think you’ve misunderstood me MR, I agree with you, I think the majority of the problem is caused by the system Ange is playing.
There are other posters blaming individual mistakes and lack of desire which I don’t agree with.

I misunderstood the line about narrative some of you are pushing so thought you included me in that. 

I'm astounded by the setup at set pieces.

[stirred]

You would want him if he had slicked back hair and was called Juan Dychio. He would get us defending properly again which is the No1 problem. He’s never had a squad capable of playing expansive football before but think he could do a good job with what we have.

Not if he played football like Sean Dyche.

I watched Dycheball at Everton because I have friends that support them and it was absolutely dire.

[DR Forest]

Dyche would not be my choice, even medium term.
But he might be just what we need until the end of the season.
And with a better squad, he might surprise a few.
I think we are looking back with those rose-tinteds on and quickly forgetting Nuno ball was excrutiatingly painful for about 80 minutes per game.

[RyanR]

Percy has written an article stating that a bad result/performance against Newcastle could be the end of Ange

[wassy04]

I think its fairly clear its not going to work with Ange although not sure anyone expected it to go this badly.

However, where we are at the moment, should we actually sack him assuming we lose to Newcastle?

Pro's: International break is an ideal time to make a change, and give them a little time to get bedded in. Its clearly going to happen at some point so may as well accept defeat and move on.

Cons: Going to be tough to persuade a new manager to take over at this point. We're not going to be able to get one of the more desirable names and will be likely fishing in the unemployed pool again, will people be any happier with Rafa? Does sacking someone after 6 games make us appealing for future hires after this one too?

Weirdly, I think there's a good argument to leave Ange through the next four games (whilst presumably sounding out a replacement). Newcastle, Chelsea, Porto, Bournemouth. Do we really expect if Ange is gone on Monday the replacement does any better?

If you wait till after Bournemouth defeat and its presumably 10 games without a win his position is clearly untenable and other prospective candidates would accept that. Plus a new manager would take over a much kinder fixture swing. Obviously there's a slim chance, however unlikely that we win a few of these games, build momentum and paper over the cracks a bit. The main downside is we would likely be bottom 3 and in danger of getting knocked out of Europa!

Shows its a tough decision. I think if we get battered by Newcastle he'll go regardless. If its a close loss, they might go with the above approach, if we don't lose he survives!

[Salvatore Matrecano]

The problem Wassy is you are talking when rather than if. Realistically I reckon most of us think that way. In which case for me the sooner the better