(06-10-2025, 10:41 AM)inside right Wrote: After their previous dismal season Spurs are now high flying - 3rd in the league. How do you explain that transformation ?

(06-10-2025, 09:50 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Are we going to boo the next poor sap out of a job too when he doesn’t win for a few games?
I say this because there is no stand out candidate who is realistic (assuming we can’t get Silva).

So we end up with Dyche/Streich/Martins etc and there is a section of our fans like you lot who don’t agree, does this pattern repeat when we can’t accept that we aren’t as good as we would like to think?

(06-10-2025, 12:01 PM)ac_vodka Wrote: I think it's a combination of multiple things but mainly for me the transition to a completely different style of football and also I was big on Nuno's values of togetherness and strength. I just don't see that on display with Ange. I was against his appointment but wanted to give him time to turn things around but just not seeing that and he looks checked out to me already Really not a great situation for anyone but we have to do what is best for the club ( which I do not know the answer to )

(06-10-2025, 12:26 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:01 PM)ac_vodka Wrote: I think it's a combination of multiple things but mainly for me the transition to a completely different style of football and also I was big on Nuno's values of togetherness and strength. I just don't see that on display with Ange. I was against his appointment but wanted to give him time to turn things around but just not seeing that and he looks checked out to me already Really not a great situation for anyone but we have to do what is best for the club ( which I do not know the answer to )

Yep, totally agree.

Ange is unlucky in that he's been handed a really difficult situation by EM (lots of fixtures/new players etc). Another top level experienced coach coming in might have taken stock, gone with a more cautious approach and not tinkered with much in the short term. But its easy to say that now. With a little more luck he might have got a couple of wins and Wassy is right, he would be ok, but that's water under the bridge now. He hasn't had the luck, he hasn't got the wins and us fans and most of the media can't see where the next one is coming from. On that basis, as unfortunate as it is, he's now a dead man walking and his tenure with us is in an unrecoverable position. As far as I'm concerned he had one last chance to get a win yesterday and he didn't manage to do it. I expect us to have a new manager come the Chelsea game.

(06-10-2025, 12:50 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:26 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:01 PM)ac_vodka Wrote: I think it's a combination of multiple things but mainly for me the transition to a completely different style of football and also I was big on Nuno's values of togetherness and strength. I just don't see that on display with Ange. I was against his appointment but wanted to give him time to turn things around but just not seeing that and he looks checked out to me already Really not a great situation for anyone but we have to do what is best for the club ( which I do not know the answer to )

Yep, totally agree.

Ange is unlucky in that he's been handed a really difficult situation by EM (lots of fixtures/new players etc). Another top level experienced coach coming in might have taken stock, gone with a more cautious approach and not tinkered with much in the short term. But its easy to say that now. With a little more luck he might have got a couple of wins and Wassy is right, he would be ok, but that's water under the bridge now. He hasn't had the luck, he hasn't got the wins and us fans and most of the media can't see where the next one is coming from. On that basis, as unfortunate as it is, he's now a dead man walking and his tenure with us is in an unrecoverable position. As far as I'm concerned he had one last chance to get a win yesterday and he didn't manage to do it. I expect us to have a new manager come the Chelsea game.

What happens if we don't win the first 7 games under the new manager? Will we have to change again? It's a pretty dangerous precedent to set.

I think I'd let him do the next few games until the fixtures turn again and give the new manager the easier start. Who knows, maybe we randomly crush someone and go on a run. Last season was bad at Spurs but the first season he did take them back into the top 4 despite finishing mid table year before and losing Kane. Last season's issues were more about the self inflicted injuries which we haven't even got to yet here!

That said he's hardly looked like he has any idea what to do with the team. Playing 3 at the back yesterday after that so clearly didn't work on Thursday and having never used that tactic previously seems pretty questionable. 

He found something first half against Betis and then after Luiz went off he changed it and never went back, why? Savona and Morato having to play is not a good enough reason to abandon all structure in my opinion.

(06-10-2025, 01:11 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:50 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:26 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:01 PM)ac_vodka Wrote: I think it's a combination of multiple things but mainly for me the transition to a completely different style of football and also I was big on Nuno's values of togetherness and strength. I just don't see that on display with Ange. I was against his appointment but wanted to give him time to turn things around but just not seeing that and he looks checked out to me already Really not a great situation for anyone but we have to do what is best for the club ( which I do not know the answer to )

Yep, totally agree.

Ange is unlucky in that he's been handed a really difficult situation by EM (lots of fixtures/new players etc). Another top level experienced coach coming in might have taken stock, gone with a more cautious approach and not tinkered with much in the short term. But its easy to say that now. With a little more luck he might have got a couple of wins and Wassy is right, he would be ok, but that's water under the bridge now. He hasn't had the luck, he hasn't got the wins and us fans and most of the media can't see where the next one is coming from. On that basis, as unfortunate as it is, he's now a dead man walking and his tenure with us is in an unrecoverable position. As far as I'm concerned he had one last chance to get a win yesterday and he didn't manage to do it. I expect us to have a new manager come the Chelsea game.

What happens if we don't win the first 7 games under the new manager? Will we have to change again? It's a pretty dangerous precedent to set.

I think I'd let him do the next few games until the fixtures turn again and give the new manager the easier start. Who knows, maybe we randomly crush someone and go on a run. Last season was bad at Spurs but the first season he did take them back into the top 4 despite finishing mid table year before and losing Kane. Last season's issues were more about the self inflicted injuries which we haven't even got to yet here!

That said he's hardly looked like he has any idea what to do with the team. Playing 3 at the back yesterday after that so clearly didn't work on Thursday and having never used that tactic previously seems pretty questionable. 

He found something first half against Betis and then after Luiz went off he changed it and never went back, why? Savona and Morato having to play is not a good enough reason to abandon all structure in my opinion.

That's it Wassy. He doesn't seem to have made any progress in the 7 games and he's still scratching around trying to find a foundation from which to build from. He can't carry on like that as he's run out of road.  I changed my mind about him in just 45 minutes last Thursday. Before that I was willing to give him time and I could see positives. But he changed the formation and the team, again. He and everyone knew that Midtjylland were a big team and good at set plays. And yet the first goal we conceded was a carbon copy of the goal we let in just 4 days earlier versus Sunderland. What were they working on all week? 

I blame EM as much as I blame Ange. When he came in Ange was still surrounded by negativity from last season. That, and the complete contrast in playing styles should have been enough for EM to go for someone else.

(06-10-2025, 01:34 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 01:11 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:50 PM)wassy04 Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:26 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(06-10-2025, 12:01 PM)ac_vodka Wrote: I think it's a combination of multiple things but mainly for me the transition to a completely different style of football and also I was big on Nuno's values of togetherness and strength. I just don't see that on display with Ange. I was against his appointment but wanted to give him time to turn things around but just not seeing that and he looks checked out to me already Really not a great situation for anyone but we have to do what is best for the club ( which I do not know the answer to )

Yep, totally agree.

Ange is unlucky in that he's been handed a really difficult situation by EM (lots of fixtures/new players etc). Another top level experienced coach coming in might have taken stock, gone with a more cautious approach and not tinkered with much in the short term. But its easy to say that now. With a little more luck he might have got a couple of wins and Wassy is right, he would be ok, but that's water under the bridge now. He hasn't had the luck, he hasn't got the wins and us fans and most of the media can't see where the next one is coming from. On that basis, as unfortunate as it is, he's now a dead man walking and his tenure with us is in an unrecoverable position. As far as I'm concerned he had one last chance to get a win yesterday and he didn't manage to do it. I expect us to have a new manager come the Chelsea game.

What happens if we don't win the first 7 games under the new manager? Will we have to change again? It's a pretty dangerous precedent to set.

I think I'd let him do the next few games until the fixtures turn again and give the new manager the easier start. Who knows, maybe we randomly crush someone and go on a run. Last season was bad at Spurs but the first season he did take them back into the top 4 despite finishing mid table year before and losing Kane. Last season's issues were more about the self inflicted injuries which we haven't even got to yet here!

That said he's hardly looked like he has any idea what to do with the team. Playing 3 at the back yesterday after that so clearly didn't work on Thursday and having never used that tactic previously seems pretty questionable. 

He found something first half against Betis and then after Luiz went off he changed it and never went back, why? Savona and Morato having to play is not a good enough reason to abandon all structure in my opinion.

That's it Wassy. He doesn't seem to have made any progress in the 7 games and he's still scratching around trying to find a foundation from which to build from. He can't carry on like that as he's run out of road.  I changed my mind about him in just 45 minutes last Thursday. Before that I was willing to give him time and I could see positives. But he changed the formation and the team, again. He and everyone knew that Midtjylland were a big team and good at set plays. And yet the first goal we conceded was a carbon copy of the goal we let in just 4 days earlier versus Sunderland. What were they working on all week? 

I blame EM as much as I blame Ange. When he came in Ange was still surrounded by negativity from last season. That, and the complete contrast in playing styles should have been enough for EM to go for someone else.

Oh yeah it was always a strange appointment. 

I guess its more that, that part is done. So whatever you do now will have an impact, if you change him we get a bad reputation and set a dangerous precedent. If you stick, you're keeping a guy that is clearly not up to it and clearly isn't going to last.

(06-10-2025, 02:16 PM)DR Forest Wrote: If we don’t seize the opportunity now and wait for more games to pass, the season may be gone.
Then we really would be left with Dyche etc as the choices.

However, in that scenario (and that scenario alone), Dyche might not be the worst option- as long as he understood it was just to steady the ship until the summer when a new guy comes in (like Silva at the end of his contract).

That said, I’m hoping for decisive action and a better calibre of manager.
As sniff suggests, advertise the job.

Maybe Edu can repair some of this mess by pulling a superstar coach out of the hat.