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RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 25-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 04:06 PM)Alf Wrote:(25-11-2020, 03:55 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: You see, there is something there I don't agree with Alf.
The players we let go. I presume you are talking about Cash and Watson right?
Well in my opinion we didn't 'let' any of them go. Once Cash reached PL standard and PL teams came sniffing there was absolutely no way that we could keep him, it was impossible. Watson, we offered him a deal but he wanted to go back to London to be with his family, he was out of contract and wouldn't sign another so how could we have kept him? We couldn't.
I think we had a chance of keeping both, far less so with Cash obv, but my point was really that with all those players not available this year, we were a significantly weaker squad. So even if we'd made some great additions, we weren't gonna be particularly much strong.
My original assessment of this window was that it was more of a side-step than a step forward, but with undoubted MUCH needed progress & depth in the frontline.
The real crime for me was not capitalizing on the momentum we had last year, by signing well in Jan.
Having Worrall, Grabban and Dawson out injured isn't helping either at the moment is it?
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - ThePromisedLand - 25-11-2020
Is Daws injured? Hadn’t realised.
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Widdow - 25-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 04:34 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(25-11-2020, 04:06 PM)Alf Wrote:(25-11-2020, 03:55 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: You see, there is something there I don't agree with Alf.
The players we let go. I presume you are talking about Cash and Watson right?
Well in my opinion we didn't 'let' any of them go. Once Cash reached PL standard and PL teams came sniffing there was absolutely no way that we could keep him, it was impossible. Watson, we offered him a deal but he wanted to go back to London to be with his family, he was out of contract and wouldn't sign another so how could we have kept him? We couldn't.
I think we had a chance of keeping both, far less so with Cash obv, but my point was really that with all those players not available this year, we were a significantly weaker squad. So even if we'd made some great additions, we weren't gonna be particularly much strong.
My original assessment of this window was that it was more of a side-step than a step forward, but with undoubted MUCH needed progress & depth in the frontline.
The real crime for me was not capitalizing on the momentum we had last year, by signing well in Jan.
Having Worrall, Grabban and Dawson out injured isn't helping either at the moment is it?
Depends what Grabban you get.
As for Worrall, i like him, i know a lot were calling him end of last season, but sooner have him in the side than Figs, but hey lets give Soh another go fiirst while he gets fit.
As for Dawson, he is 37 and we have players ahead of him. For me he should've been made an assistant to Hughton (if he had those ambitions to go into coaching/management) his time on the pitch has come to an end (IMO).
We keep being told a great bunch of lads. Bloody hell, how bad would be things if they all hated each other?
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Alf - 25-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 04:34 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(25-11-2020, 04:06 PM)Alf Wrote:(25-11-2020, 03:55 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: You see, there is something there I don't agree with Alf.
The players we let go. I presume you are talking about Cash and Watson right?
Well in my opinion we didn't 'let' any of them go. Once Cash reached PL standard and PL teams came sniffing there was absolutely no way that we could keep him, it was impossible. Watson, we offered him a deal but he wanted to go back to London to be with his family, he was out of contract and wouldn't sign another so how could we have kept him? We couldn't.
I think we had a chance of keeping both, far less so with Cash obv, but my point was really that with all those players not available this year, we were a significantly weaker squad. So even if we'd made some great additions, we weren't gonna be particularly much strong.
My original assessment of this window was that it was more of a side-step than a step forward, but with undoubted MUCH needed progress & depth in the frontline.
The real crime for me was not capitalizing on the momentum we had last year, by signing well in Jan.
Having Worrall, Grabban and Dawson out injured isn't helping either at the moment is it?
Definitely not mate. Again, 3 key players last year.
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Tricky - 25-11-2020
I can't quite see the point of this thread TBH.
This is just a selection of opinions based on players passed performances during the summer when there was very little else to talk about.
I would hasten to guess that any mentions of Grabban would've been based on the 20 goals he scored last season and of which he would've been a world beater also, along with Arter, Freeman, Taylor, Colback etc. That was last season. This season is a whole new ball game and no one has bothered to show up for it yet!! "Yeah but Grabs scored 20 goals last season" "Knockeart got promoted with Fulham last year" "Hughton finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in his four seasons in this league". "Arter did this, Taylor did that, Colback did the other" So f*****g what? That was then, a different time, under different circumstances, at different places, with different people. None of what has happened previously matters one single jot, if it aint happening now. The past has gone. It will not come back. We move on to the now and the future and worry about that.
Interestingly also, were the worried concerns that Worrall may also be the subject of a multi-million pound bid from a PL side. The same Worrall who was, in some quarters, made the scapegoat of our capitulation at the end of last season, due to giving away 'that free kick' against Derby. The same Worrall that has been badly missed since he broke his foot and will be the saviour at the heart of our defence in a few weeks time. Until of course he makes a mistake and he becomes public enemy number one again!!
Sometimes I get so frustrated by comments on forums :@
Rant over
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Username - 25-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 03:31 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: To be fair to Widdow none of the comments were made by him.
However some of the comments were made by posters who are now slagging off our players and recruitment/owners.
Which infers that some of the comments were mine, which ones?
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - zicorice - 25-11-2020
I like to think I've been consistent. Lyle Taylor was class against us, but so was Chris Burke-regularly...but I was glad we signed him. The rest, I said I'd wait and see (Colback we knew about and was a no brainer, but only if/when he gets back to his best, like he was vs Barnsley.)
Freeman? Questioned it. Arter? Said he was mainly a whining ref baiter....
Where I am wavering, is my confidence about the hierarchy, which has been damaged by what has become something of a scatter gun approach to transfers. I am not slating EM, he has tidied up so much of the mess behind the scenes, I am grateful and recognise this. We had been making gradual progress in final league positions year on year. We still might this year, but in truth we looked light years behind Bournemouth.
It is a marathon not a sprint and we have an excellent manager in place. But the confidence did not look great. Alot of players struggling for form. I have said previously that Dawson getting injured was the time we started to drop of slightly last season (performance wise and in defence). He never got back to that level and neither did Figs, bar the odd game.
I hope I am wrong and this can be shoved back down my throat in May, but I would take 15th right now. Last year I said we needed luck with injuries and mostly we got it. This year not so much and the back up squad (or squads) of players are not good enough.
Signing other peoples rejects when they go up only gets you so far....or 20th at present.
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Username - 25-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 03:27 PM)wassy04 Wrote: I thought no-one wanted these players though?
Clearly was a majority of people even if Username and widdow didn't want some of them.
So applying confirmation bias to prove your point is a statement of fact?
In reality you are happy with what we’ve signed, everything’s rosey. I disagree and took the time to particularise my views. I am concerned as to what another season of failure will have on the owner. I think we should all be concerned about this personally.
I should note that I didn’t dig out any specific poster in setting out my opinion, however you seem happy to do this, fair play, each to their own. I’m sure come the end of this season when we have to sell another asset to fund a bloated squad having endured a season of mediocrity with the odd bright spark chucked in to give us optimism you’ll hold your hands up and accept that the strategy was wrong.
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - ozzyten10 - 25-11-2020
guilty as charged!
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Reds73 - 25-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 04:57 PM)ThePromisedLand Wrote: Is Daws injured? Hadn’t realised.
If Daws is injured why is he in London working for Sky tonight ?
He should be in Nottm getting treatment.
Has he definitely made the 25 ?
The below are in the 25 as they have been in squads since the list went in.
Samba, Smith (2)
Christie, Jenkinson, Ribeiro, Bong, Iounnou, Blackett, Worrall, Fig, McKenna (9)
Ameobi, Freeman, Lolley, Knockaert, Colback, Yates, Sow, Arter, Cafu (9)
Taylor, Grabban, Guerrero (3)
* Mighten & Mbe Soh aren’t listed in above as they are u21’s and not included.
So it’s 2 from the following:
Diallo, Darikwa, Bachirou, Dawson
My best guess would be Dawson and Bachirou make up the 25
What does everyone else think ?
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 26-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 07:21 PM)Username Wrote:(25-11-2020, 03:31 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: To be fair to Widdow none of the comments were made by him.
However some of the comments were made by posters who are now slagging off our players and recruitment/owners.
Which infers that some of the comments were mine, which ones?
No, I was not infering that at all.
RE: What Posters Were Saying About Our Summer Signings - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 26-11-2020
(25-11-2020, 06:42 PM)Alf Wrote:(25-11-2020, 04:34 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(25-11-2020, 04:06 PM)Alf Wrote:(25-11-2020, 03:55 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: You see, there is something there I don't agree with Alf.
The players we let go. I presume you are talking about Cash and Watson right?
Well in my opinion we didn't 'let' any of them go. Once Cash reached PL standard and PL teams came sniffing there was absolutely no way that we could keep him, it was impossible. Watson, we offered him a deal but he wanted to go back to London to be with his family, he was out of contract and wouldn't sign another so how could we have kept him? We couldn't.
I think we had a chance of keeping both, far less so with Cash obv, but my point was really that with all those players not available this year, we were a significantly weaker squad. So even if we'd made some great additions, we weren't gonna be particularly much strong.
My original assessment of this window was that it was more of a side-step than a step forward, but with undoubted MUCH needed progress & depth in the frontline.
The real crime for me was not capitalizing on the momentum we had last year, by signing well in Jan.
Having Worrall, Grabban and Dawson out injured isn't helping either at the moment is it?
Definitely not mate. Again, 3 key players last year.
Exactly Alf, you see everybody wants to blame our summer recruitment for our poor form but the truth is that players who were already here like Worrall, Grabban and Dawson are out injured and other players who were already here like Samba, Ribeiro, Figs, Sow, Lolley and Ameobi are not performing anywhere near the levels that they were last season.