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RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Paplane - 26-07-2020
(26-07-2020, 06:40 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: I wouldn't have had a single one of those 4 in our matchday squad despite recent results. They wouldnt have improved us, would have been the same outcome. Need to stop accumulating mediocre players to succeed.I though Yacob was excellent.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - PsychoStanleyStone - 26-07-2020
forget the players, Sabri made collective mistakes but totally bottled it, he lost the plot, the complete back to the wall set up for 90 minutes v Barnsley, slowing it down with 30 minutes to go v Stoke, the guy really blew it. And his interviews are frazzled, talks about confidence when every key decision he made for however long was demonstrating lack of confidence.
It could make him a better manager but I don't think so, I think he is damaged, we are damaged and the squad is damaged and there is only 1 way to fix and it is the quick fix.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Jacksbadhobbits - 26-07-2020
(26-07-2020, 07:44 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: forget the players, Sabri made collective mistakes but totally bottled it, he lost the plot, the complete back to the wall set up for 90 minutes v Barnsley, slowing it down with 30 minutes to go v Stoke, the guy really blew it. And his interviews are frazzled, talks about confidence when every key decision he made for however long was demonstrating lack of confidence.
It could make him a better manager but I don't think so, I think he is damaged, we are damaged and the squad is damaged and there is only 1 way to fix and it is the quick fix.
We failed to make the top six because we do not have enough quality in especially in attacking positions. We had no choice but to the play in the way we did. We were not good enough to keep possession like Leeds WBA Fullham Brentford and even Swansea. If we had opened up we would have finished closer to the bottom 6. Sabri took over at the last minute, inheriting a squad that had not been pulling up trees over the previous couple of seasons. In my opinion to get us so close, Sabri did an excellent job. We now need some quality additions to kick on.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Duncan Mckenzie - 27-07-2020
I like that post above ^
I think it's a good summary.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - GaribaldiRED - 27-07-2020
I have to admit that I get a bit annoyed at the widely accepted perception on this forum that every team should strive to play possession football and that the only reason for a team not doing that is because they don't have players that are good enough. I strongly disagree with that perception. There are lots of good teams in Europe with great players that chose not to play possession based football and have great success following a different tactical model.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Jean_claude_killy - 27-07-2020
(26-07-2020, 08:44 PM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:(26-07-2020, 07:44 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: forget the players, Sabri made collective mistakes but totally bottled it, he lost the plot, the complete back to the wall set up for 90 minutes v Barnsley, slowing it down with 30 minutes to go v Stoke, the guy really blew it. And his interviews are frazzled, talks about confidence when every key decision he made for however long was demonstrating lack of confidence.
It could make him a better manager but I don't think so, I think he is damaged, we are damaged and the squad is damaged and there is only 1 way to fix and it is the quick fix.
We failed to make the top six because we do not have enough quality in especially in attacking positions. We had no choice but to the play in the way we did. We were not good enough to keep possession like Leeds WBA Fullham Brentford and even Swansea. If we had opened up we would have finished closer to the bottom 6. Sabri took over at the last minute, inheriting a squad that had not been pulling up trees over the previous couple of seasons. In my opinion to get us so close, Sabri did an excellent job. We now need some quality additions to kick on.
An excellent post which encapsulates the situation perfectly.
The one thing I would add; those quality additions need to have leadership qualities because we are sadly lacking in that department.
To throw away a game in the final seconds once is careless; to do it so many times just highlights the mental frailties of the group.
Address that and we are looking at an additional 10 points
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Jean_claude_killy - 27-07-2020
(27-07-2020, 08:39 AM)GaribaldiRED Wrote: I have to admit that I get a bit annoyed at the widely accepted perception on this forum that every team should strive to play possession football and that the only reason for a team not doing that is because they don't have players that are good enough. I strongly disagree with that perception. There are lots of good teams in Europe with great players that chose not to play possession based football and have great success following a different tactical model.
Another excellent post.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Jacksbadhobbits - 27-07-2020
(27-07-2020, 08:39 AM)GaribaldiRED Wrote: I have to admit that I get a bit annoyed at the widely accepted perception on this forum that every team should strive to play possession football and that the only reason for a team not doing that is because they don't have players that are good enough. I strongly disagree with that perception. There are lots of good teams in Europe with great players that chose not to play possession based football and have great success following a different tactical model.
I agree possession does not always equate to winning football matches but the teams that do consistently win tend to have more possession, especially over a period of time. One of our problems this season was winning matches at home where we were expected to break teams down. We lacked the quality to do that. To step up we need to be more confident in possession and we need quality additions for that.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - GaribaldiRED - 27-07-2020
(27-07-2020, 09:32 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:(27-07-2020, 08:39 AM)GaribaldiRED Wrote: I have to admit that I get a bit annoyed at the widely accepted perception on this forum that every team should strive to play possession football and that the only reason for a team not doing that is because they don't have players that are good enough. I strongly disagree with that perception. There are lots of good teams in Europe with great players that chose not to play possession based football and have great success following a different tactical model.I agree possession does not always equate to winning football matches but the teams that do consistently win tend to have more possession, especially over a period of time. One of our problems this season was winning matches at home where we were expected to break teams down. We lacked the quality to do that. To step up we need to be more confident in possession and we need quality additions for that.
Please keep in mind that keeping the ball just to avoid that the opposition gets hold of it is just as "negative" as any defensive strategy. My point being that possession based football is not always about attacking and scoring goals.
I believe Forest need to be a lot better at taking advantage of situations where the opposition is not fully in balance (hence when we win the ball). These are the really critical moments in any game. Too often this season promising situations have been wasted and I believe the main reason has been a midfield that has in general, been to static. It is of course a prerequisite that the players are able to pass the ball to a team mate but that is independent of playing possession football or not.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Tricky - 27-07-2020
(27-07-2020, 09:32 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:(27-07-2020, 08:39 AM)GaribaldiRED Wrote: I have to admit that I get a bit annoyed at the widely accepted perception on this forum that every team should strive to play possession football and that the only reason for a team not doing that is because they don't have players that are good enough. I strongly disagree with that perception. There are lots of good teams in Europe with great players that chose not to play possession based football and have great success following a different tactical model.
I agree possession does not always equate to winning football matches but the teams that do consistently win tend to have more possession, especially over a period of time. One of our problems this season was winning matches at home where we were expected to break teams down. We lacked the quality to do that. To step up we need to be more confident in possession and we need quality additions for that.
I think you have hit the nail on the head there JBH. We were never ruthless enough at home and did much better away. It was always perceived we played better away from home because there was less pressure from the fans. This could be strongly discounted if we consider away teams playing at the WFCG often set up to defend and stifle our attacking threat, often with a high press. We were never really able to break teams down that defended in numbers and it was often us that was caught out with the sucker punch on the counter attack.
We never set up to attack the opposition but to hit them on the counter, which was highly successful away from home, when the opposition were expected to come at us, but to do it in our own backyard, with the fans wanting to get behind the side and roar them on, seems so pointless (and often was!).
Inconsistency was one key element we sadly lacked. We could blow Leeds out of the water one week, then completely crash out three days later against Charlton. We beat Cardiff at their place then struggled to get a 2-2 draw at a very poor Middlesborough and then after that took a 0-3 tonking at home to Millwall. This was with more or less the same starting 11. Yes there was the odd injury to contend with, but not to the point the entire side should've been affected as it was. Players would turn up one week, then have an off day the next. Strangely though, it wasn't just the odd player that would have an off day but the entire side!
We do need more quality, and as hard as it is to say it, I think we need to be finding back up for Lolley. His position is vital and if he is out injured or he doesn't show up, we struggle. Sadly, he struggles with Shin Splints, which means there will always be the likelihood of him not playing. He can go missing in games, especially when teams are high pressing us. That then cuts off the supply to Grabban as well.
But it's not just Lolley, it is the entire squad. I think the back 5 have been very impressive over the course of the season until after the re-start, then they seemed more nervous and less confident than they were. Why? What happened that suddenly changed not just the performance of our defence but their confidence and ability?
Sabri, if he maintains his job, has a lot of hard work to do between now and the second week in September to get this squad of players firing on all cylinders again. He also needs to make sure the aquisitions panel support him totally during this transfer window.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 27-07-2020
(26-07-2020, 09:05 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Milosevic, Chema and Yacob. Why did we let them go?
They all could have played a part.
Bizarre. Who's decision was that?
Plus two decent attacking options in Ansarifard and Soudani were allowed to leave without being replaced. That left us with only Grabban as the only recognised striker at the club.
Some atrocious decisions were made by someone. I hope the inquest being carried out gets to the bottom of this.
RE: The Inquest Now The Dust Has Settled - Strawberry Avenger - 27-07-2020
(27-07-2020, 01:59 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(26-07-2020, 09:05 AM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: Milosevic, Chema and Yacob. Why did we let them go?
They all could have played a part.
Bizarre. Who's decision was that?
Plus two decent attacking options in Ansarifard and Soudani were allowed to leave without being replaced. That left us with only Grabban as the only recognised striker at the club.
Some atrocious decisions were made by someone. I hope the inquest being carried out gets to the bottom of this.
Yep.
SA.