(19-09-2020, 07:15 PM)Username Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 06:48 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 06:35 PM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

(19-09-2020, 09:26 PM)Username Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 08:48 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 07:15 PM)Username Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 06:48 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 06:35 PM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

So you are saying Twist for the 20th time in 21 years then. Can you remind me of when that has worked?

No I dont know if Sabri can turn it around either but I do know chucking it all away and starting again at this point wont work either.

You can’t know that. 

If that were based in irrefutable fact then every club would do it. 

I do agree that consistency is key and someone needs to be here for longer than a year but the right person. 

I don’t know if Sabri is the right person and have not once advocated for him to go but I am struggling to see why he should stay and I’ve yet to see anyone give a compelling reason as to why other than an avoidance as to not chop and change. 

Would everyone be yearning for the manager to stay if it were Cotterill, Holloway, McLeish, etc? No because the man has to be able to ultimately keep us, not take us short term, on an upward curve.

(19-09-2020, 11:20 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: I think there is a clear divide starting to appear with the fans and I don’t think the problem is a dislike for sabri. In fact I think everyone likes him, as a man and as the manager who got us to 7th.

The problem, I think, lies deeper than just the manager. The ownership and leadership within the club doesn’t seem to be working.

I have no doubt that EM wants success for this club and in no way do I want him to go, but I would ask how he can be successful here without being here himself. He isn’t based here, he doesn’t see the day to day I can’t imagine running a club like this is easy at the best of times.

Then there are those employed by EM to work here and be his eyes and ears as well as running the club for him. What are they doing. We have now signed 9 players with more to come. Did we need that many. As many have said, we had our best finish in 10 years, surely 3 or 4 quality players would do it. We now have 5 right backs, 6 centre backs 5 cms with another coming in. If these are sabri choices who is letting him sign them all. Is no one asking the question about the need for all these players? A few will talk about being better than what we have... freeman and Christie fall in to that category I am not sure you can say that for the rest of them.

You also have to consider the rest of the squad. How must they feel with all these signings. We were so close to top 6 and promotion last season. It’s almost like sabri doesn’t trust them to do the job by signing so many.

The approach to signing players against seems to be off. We needed 3 or 4 (a rb to replace cash, a winger, a dcm and a atm) whilst trimming some unwanted players (Jenkinson, carv to name 2).

There is no noise coming from the club, no statements from the chairman or owner about moving forward, the clubs plans or anything. It is all very quiet.

Then we come to sabri. He had a great first 5 months, we thought we had found our gem, the guy to take us back. It has all come crashing down. Stick or twist... I have made my thoughts clear but fans are divided. Some see the 7th place as a good thing... me, I see it as failure after being top at one point 3rd in January. What about the run of 3 wins in 18. Many have been sacked for less. If this was a blip it would be done. If it were just the end of last season then ok... finish 7th, learn from mistakes and push on. But it has continued in to this season.

Some will point to today’s game and talk about the much improved 2nd half. Did we score a goal? It doesn’t matter how well we played we didn’t score again and from 2 nil down we needed to. Some on here talk about the club sacking the managers over and over and the outcomes are all the same... well that is what sabri is doing. Applying the same tactic over and over and expecting different results. Surely he can see his 4321 isn’t working and hasn’t for a long time. It’s time to stop. Change it or lose your job.

Then the players... grabban, Yates, figs... what have these players done to merit a place every week. Yates was OK today but is not good enough for the club to be where it wants. Grabban is out of form and is not a captain. Figs is mistake after mistake yet these players keep their place.

I want him to fix this. I want sabri to get it right and keep his job. At the same time I think he has had more than enough time to get it right. He keeps saying in interviews the players need to do more. This is his job. How many times can he say the same thing.... sabri fix it or go.

I find the whole situation so frustrating and annoying and we all want this club to be successful. Personally I don’t think we will with the current manager but also the people in the club running it. For me EM needs to take a good look at what is happening in the club.

(19-09-2020, 11:20 PM)Uwantlee Wrote: The problem, I think, lies deeper than just the manager. The ownership and leadership within the club doesn’t seem to be working.

I have no doubt that EM wants success for this club and in no way do I want him to go, but I would ask how he can be successful here without being here himself. He isn’t based here, he doesn’t see the day to day I can’t imagine running a club like this is easy at the best of times.

Then there are those employed by EM to work here and be his eyes and ears as well as running the club for him. What are they doing. 

(19-09-2020, 09:51 PM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 07:15 PM)Username Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 06:48 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(19-09-2020, 06:35 PM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: Here we go again. How confident are we that we will get a better manager who is going to get more from players chosen by Sabri. We have gone down this path a million times during the last 25 years and it weakens the club. It gets the club further into debt and more distant from the premier league. We assemble a team to play one style, chuck it away and try a new style with players brought in my previous managers. That strategy has been proven to fail. Sometimes patience gets rewarded. Ferguson at It's, O Neil at Leicester and even Cloughie. The great man arrived in Jan 1975 and we didn't get promoted until May 1977 when we finished 3rd. That was 2 and half seasons later. Sabri did alright last season let's give him a reasonable crack at this season. Surely can't be sacking a manager after two games this season.

Sanity at last. I suspect we're in the minority now.

Sanity in what respect?

Are you advocating no change for the sake of it?

What is there to suggest that this is the right course of action?

At what point, if the run continues, does supporting the current manager become insanity?

I dearly want him to succeed and have not once suggested he go but I struggle to make a coherent case to support why. 

From a personal perspective he made a number of baffling decisions last season when we were on a good run but they were ignored because the results spoke for themselves and rightly so. 

This isn’t a small run of bad games. 

This isn’t us not getting the rub of the green.

If I felt the players were playing for him then I would be confident of us turning a corner soon. I genuinely can’t see that right now. We have had two decent patches of football this season. One against QPR where Sabri had to go against his fundamental principles as to how he sets us up and today when Cardiff were two up, coasting and stopped doing some of the basics they were doing in the first half.

Insanity: repeatedly doing the same action and expecting a different outcome. We will sack Sabri with the same result as we have so many other times over the last 25 years.