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RE: VAR & Crap Referees - stirred - 03-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 12:18 PM)Tricky Wrote:(03-03-2024, 10:21 AM)zicorice Wrote:(03-03-2024, 08:20 AM)Tricky Wrote: I am sick and tired of players going down 'injured' only for the ref to blow up and stop play, then miraculously, the player gets up, does a rub of the alleged injured area and trots off totally recovered. Yes our players do it as well, I am not trying to make out this sort of thing only happens to us, but it is killing the game and something needs to be done to address the matter. Players do this to break down an opponents momentum, giving their side a chance to regroup and reorganise, but it is cheating, end of.
Tierney was right to stop play went Konate went down 'with an head injury'. Referees dont know the extent of a player going down holding his head and as a matter of precaution have to stop play and check. That is the right and sensible thing to do. But the moment Tierney starts going over to Konate, he jumps back up to his feet, does the rubbing of the injury routine and trots off. This is what really boils my piss. I am not going to go over what happens next, as that has been discussed on here already.
I think its about time the FA introduced a rule that if play is stopped for a player on the ground, irrespective of if he needs treatment or not, that player then has to leave the field for 30 seconds, as is the case for players that do receive treatment. This might stop many players deliberately going to ground to stop play and seizing the opportunity to gain an advantage, either through time wasting or to allow their side the opportunity to regroup. If a player does receive treatment due to injury and play is stopped, that player has to leave the field, so way not if play is stopped and a players gets up and gets on with it?
If a simple person like me can see what is happening, why cant the ruling bodies and officials? This isnt just a PL thing either, it happens at all levels of the game. My Daughter was given a bollocking last season, by her then manager, for running onto the pitch to tend an injured player right at the end of a game, because the manager wanted to run down a few more seconds as the side were winning by a single goal. Instead of coming up with ridiculous rules like a player cant be ruled offside until that passage of play has ended, why arent the authorities looking at this type of gamesmanship and putting rules in place to eliminate or reduce it in order to allow games to flow more freely?
This type of thing, including diving at the slightest touch is killing the game. Like many others on here have said, they are losing the love of the game because there is so much wrong with it now, so am I.
Spot on. Add to this arguing with ref and you've got me.
Totally agree Zico. Added as an addendum.
Players/coaches look to gain any advantage they can from any and every aspect of the game. That's obvious, so its - sadly - naive to introduce a rule like that for head 'injuries' and not expect it to get exploited.
The answer to all of this is simple though - you need to take away the advantage from cheating the system. People keep diving on the ground at the slightest of contact - well stop giving free-kicks for it. Get the sin-bin in. It would stop a lot of the dark arts almost overnight. The cynical fouls, the intimidation of officials and all that are done to derive an advantage. Take one of the players off the pitch and you no longer gain an advantage from the vast majority of these situations.
It seems there was a big backlash against the blue card idea. Probably because after VAR fans dont want more complications, and dont trust the officials to not mess things up again. And also probably because Klopp et al shouted against it, so the sheep bleated.
But its very simple, if you don't want to see certain behaviour, you need to punish it one way or another, not reward it. As legendary investor Charlie Munger (Warren Buffet's partner) put it many years ago, "Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome."
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - Salvatore Matrecano - 03-03-2024
On an unrelated note I don’t think I have ever seen this forum so united in agreement.
Lets hope the team and wider supporters feel the same way and we can direct the injustice back to our next opponents. It could just be what saves us.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - wassy04 - 03-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 02:50 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: On an unrelated note I don’t think I have ever seen this forum so united in agreement.
Lets hope the team and wider supporters feel the same way and we can direct the injustice back to our next opponents. It could just be what saves us.
That's exactly what I was saying yesterday. Chance to build a siege mentality now.
It feels like it means more now after the dodgy decisions. We need to use this to build the same sentiment we had last year.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - The reds - 03-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 02:55 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(03-03-2024, 02:50 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: On an unrelated note I don’t think I have ever seen this forum so united in agreement.
Lets hope the team and wider supporters feel the same way and we can direct the injustice back to our next opponents. It could just be what saves us.
That's exactly what I was saying yesterday. Chance to build a siege mentality now.
It feels like it means more now after the dodgy decisions. We need to use this to build the same sentiment we had last year.
All guns blazing against Brighton, we have an advantage. With them playing their biggest game in there history on Thursday.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 03-03-2024
Ι haven't been able to make a comment because I was just too numb after that yesterday.
I don't like saying this because I don't like whining but something is seriously wrong and it needs looking into and investigating. It is so blatant and the evidence is there for all of us to see.
Question is what happens now? Personally I cannot see EM just letting it go if we get relegated. I expect things to get a bit ugly from here on going forward.
I may get a bit of news later today, I am waiting on something.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - willdared - 03-03-2024
Not that I'd want this but say we do go down could you see EM taking legal action against the PGMOL or whoever the refs work for due to the number of decisions against us over the course of the season? Some massive decisions against us have cost valuable points.
They say these things even themselves out over the course of the season but we are running out of games. I can honestly only remember the Burnley disallowed goal being a questionable one that went our way
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 03-03-2024
We need 10 years to even this seasons decisions out.
Think EM will aim and target higher than the PGMOL.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - Tricky - 03-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 04:11 PM)willdared Wrote: Not that I'd want this but say we do go down could you see EM taking legal action against the PGMOL or whoever the refs work for due to the number of decisions against us over the course of the season? Some massive decisions against us have cost valuable points.
They say these things even themselves out over the course of the season but we are running out of games. I can honestly only remember the Burnley disallowed goal being a questionable one that went our way
I think any legal challenge regarding lost points would just have the argument thrown back at us that if we had submitted our accounts correctly and stayed on the right side of the rules, we would not have had any points deductions, should that be the case unfortunately
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - BomberBowyer - 03-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 05:51 PM)Tricky Wrote:We’ve had a pts deduction without an official pts deduction if that makes sense. The amount of ‘errors’ by refs against is this season have cost us several pts already. How many apologies have we had already!(03-03-2024, 04:11 PM)willdared Wrote: Not that I'd want this but say we do go down could you see EM taking legal action against the PGMOL or whoever the refs work for due to the number of decisions against us over the course of the season? Some massive decisions against us have cost valuable points.
They say these things even themselves out over the course of the season but we are running out of games. I can honestly only remember the Burnley disallowed goal being a questionable one that went our way
I think any legal challenge regarding lost points would just have the argument thrown back at us that if we had submitted our accounts correctly and stayed on the right side of the rules, we would not have had any points deductions, should that be the case unfortunately
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - WrexhamRed - 03-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 07:06 PM)BomberBowyer Wrote:(03-03-2024, 05:51 PM)Tricky Wrote:We’ve had a pts deduction without an official pts deduction if that makes sense. The amount of ‘errors’ by refs against is this season have cost us several pts already. How many apologies have we had already!(03-03-2024, 04:11 PM)willdared Wrote: Not that I'd want this but say we do go down could you see EM taking legal action against the PGMOL or whoever the refs work for due to the number of decisions against us over the course of the season? Some massive decisions against us have cost valuable points.
They say these things even themselves out over the course of the season but we are running out of games. I can honestly only remember the Burnley disallowed goal being a questionable one that went our way
I think any legal challenge regarding lost points would just have the argument thrown back at us that if we had submitted our accounts correctly and stayed on the right side of the rules, we would not have had any points deductions, should that be the case unfortunately
An apology is just words, it changes nothing. I think every apology should be issued with a point, not just us I mean all teams, that would go some way to putting right the consequences of their decisions.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - Redgirl - 03-03-2024
I thinks that would be the only way to cut out these ‘errors’ referees seem to make them with impunity, the only way to stop it is by awarding points when it’s a proven error. Millions of pounds rests on these refs/var getting it right, it’s shocking that more action isn’t taken when it’s glaringly obvious when they don’t, a slap on the wrist is not enough. I’m not just talking about human error, I’m talking about obvious bias or disregard for the rules of the game. Which we have seen, this season, frequently, it could see us relegated.
RE: VAR & Crap Referees - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 04-03-2024
(03-03-2024, 09:32 AM)Jacksbadhobbits Wrote: Message to PGMOL. Please appoint referee’s to premier league matches who know the rules of the game.
They know the rules Jack.
Problem is they don't play by them.
If it was a player instead of a ref it would be called match fixing. It would be a criminal offense.
It needs investigating and looking into, it's corruption.